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ketzer123 · 2019-08-03 7:56

Just a heads up for everyone who isn't aware of the current situation with the recorded shows from MFC.

Unfortunately, MFC has implemented a new system that allows them to detect when someone is "downloading" a show from their site from anywhere other than the site's interface itself, and so, as a countermeasure, their server interrupts the stream download and returns instead a video message that is repeated indefinitely.

An example of this message can be seen here: https://camshowhub.to/show/myfreecams-ka...0T05-02-27

This started around mid July and, due to this, most recorded shows sites won't be able to upload new shows from MFC until a "fix" is found; you can verify this by going to any site like camshowhub and you'll notice that most newer MFC shows are about 1:30 minutes long, which is the average time when the new system notices something is up.

These are (I believe) the "countermeasures" from MFC alluded on camshowhub, and the reason why they have taken action and allowed all the videos from MFC to be downloaded for free.

So, we'll have to wait and see if a "fix" to this situation is ever found, or if there is even a "fix" at all; and, I guess, pray that no other site takes notice of this and implements a system like this on their own lmao

CamShowHub · 2019-08-03 15:12

It's not a 'fix', we beat their system each day and each day they change it up again (somewhere in that time range).
We don't know if it's meant to target us, or everybody (they maybe just trying to kill competitors; see https://twitter.com/MFCShare/status/1140319723873275910), but it is affecting us.

As already mentioned (s a i d is filtered), we constantly work on neutralizing the detection systems, but they also constantly change it because we succeed (again, just our guess).
We are fairly certain given the amount of pressure we are now unleashing on mfc for doing so (our current mindset is: either they stop it, our we will push them into extinction), no other cam site will ever attempt to even try it, as they can already know that we would unleash the same on them for doing so.

Cheers

2019-08-03 17:14

R.I.P. CamShowHub, Camvault, Camshowdownload, etc...

ketzer123 · 2019-08-03 17:19

Holy shit, I didn't actually know that they were deploying the public stream saving feature mentioned in that tweet; now it makes so much sense that, after so many years of "allowing" scripts to download their shows, they are making these changes.

Kind of reminds of nintendo clamping down so hard on roms sites after the creation of their virtual console store.

Well, let's wait and see what their response is and what the thoughts of their models on these matters are.

2019-08-03 17:28

Camshowhub, one question:

When a model or their website "takes down" that model's videos, are they deleted forever from your servers, or are they only "hidden" on the website for normal users?

2019-08-03 21:14

(2019-08-03 17:19)ketzer123 Wrote: Holy shit, I didn't actually know that they were deploying the public stream saving feature mentioned in that tweet; now it makes so much sense that, after so many years of "allowing" scripts to download their shows, they are making these changes.

Kind of reminds of nintendo clamping down so hard on roms sites after the creation of their virtual console store.

Well, let's wait and see what their response is and what the thoughts of their models on these matters are.

All MFC model will 100% approve of this.

CamShowHub · 2019-08-03 22:43

Well, models might will approve the feature of mfc, but not what we do because of it.
Having 50 million free videos and face search is so much more damage than mfc could have ever asked for, not to mention that their new feature then won't get utilized if we undercut them by 100% and we will continue to neutralize their detection system.

2019-08-03 23:13

MFC 01 x 00 CamShowHub

Su-35 · (This post was last modified: 2019-08-04 8:39 by Su-35.)

Camshowhub admin is doing the right thing. Speeds capped at 100 kbps are a pain for anything > 1GB however, even 150 kbps would be a significant improvement considering there is no integration with Jdownloader for pause downloads. Had a file die out on me at 1.5 GB off 3 GB, after hours on the cooker - no ability to resume the download. A pain.

Mfc is doing the rational thing from their position and point of view. Admins like the owner of camshowhub and others can take their countermeasures - fair is fair in war.

CamShowHub · (This post was last modified: 2019-08-04 10:52 by CamShowHub.)

(2019-08-04 8:36)Su-35 Wrote: Camshowhub admin is doing the right thing. Speeds capped at 100 kbps are a pain for anything > 1GB however, even 150 kbps would be a significant improvement considering there is no integration with Jdownloader for pause downloads. Had a file die out on me at 1.5 GB off 3 GB, after hours on the cooker - no ability to resume the download. A pain.

The problem is with some download managers like IDM, they are getting totally confused if we allow to resume downloads within our system, so we sadly have to penalize all download managers like jDownloader, even though they would handle it just fine.
We can't detect what or if you are using a download manager, because almost all have the tendency to cloak them self.
But as always, we are working on it.

(2019-08-04 8:36)Su-35 Wrote: Mfc is doing the rational thing from their position and point of view. Admins like the owner of camshowhub and others can take their countermeasures - fair is fair in war.

I would say, the most rational point of view would have been to not ignore our emails the last years, because we would actually have been willing to let them integrate our system into theirs, meaning they could use us as their back-end but offer the files on their service and we would have even done it free of charge (so they would offer them exclusively), not to mention that banning our ownership crawlers, about a year ago also didn't helped either of us.

Our main focus is to solve the problem with recorded public shows being every and at the same time no where, as there is no centralized or official place to get them in a safe way for users with at least some level of quality of the videos (let's be real, most tube sites convert the videos into oblivion and run way too many and also dangerous ads) and also give the models a way to get revenue from it.

So if a cam site tries to solve that problem, fine, but mfc does it the wrong way, they limit the feature for models who can use it and have no clue on how to run an actual working detection system (yes, the current one does block recorders, but it also bans tons and tons of normal users, because if one IP is suspicious, their system goes right away and bans the whole /24 of the IP, meaning for one bad IP, they ban 256 IPs.) So yeah, not a good way at all, especially because it can even trigger false positive in general and quite often if you are on mobile with a not stable connection, given they do the detection based on the fcsl web-socket activity of you)

Not to mention that I personally found a public show on mfcshare being 224 minutes (we actually had the same so I checked) being rather slow and not that interesting and the price was 10,000 tokens (~830$) so yeah, no, that's never going to replace anything, so they need of course to find a way to block recorders as that price point is above and beyond.

Oh and any screen recorder still works or using headless chrome with puppeteer (not that perfect yet, we are actually still working on that one, but as mentioned, one bad request and you end up losing a whole /24).

Oh and don't get me wrong, I am aware that you guys here do share recorded shows, but that only shows that neither our current system and possibly also not mfc's new system is going to solve above mentioned problem (why is s a i d filtered???), because if it would be more affordable and or convenient to use a better source, this board would be dead.
If you wanna solve it, beat your competitors by pleasing your customers (models and users alike) and not try to create a monopoly by limiting the sources, that never worked out in the long run, because if there is demand, there is supply.

8008s · 2019-08-05 9:11

(2019-08-03 15:12)CamShowHub Wrote: It's not a 'fix', we beat their system each day and each day they change it up again (somewhere in that time range).
We don't know if it's meant to target us, or everybody (they maybe just trying to kill competitors; see https://twitter.com/MFCShare/status/1140319723873275910), but it is affecting us.

As already mentioned (s a i d is filtered), we constantly work on neutralizing the detection systems, but they also constantly change it because we succeed (again, just our guess).
We are fairly certain given the amount of pressure we are now unleashing on mfc for doing so (our current mindset is: either they stop it, our we will push them into extinction), no other cam site will ever attempt to even try it, as they can already know that we would unleash the same on them for doing so.

Cheers

You're service is awesome!!! There were so many times I would tip a lot to get shows started in public chats hoping to later be able to download the video later from other public show recording sites just to not have it available. I'm now finding all that lost content on your site. Thank you.

8008s · 2019-08-05 9:19

(2019-08-03 22:43)CamShowHub Wrote: Well, models might will approve the feature of mfc, but not what we do because of it.
Having 50 million free videos and face search is so much more damage than mfc could have ever asked for, not to mention that their new feature then won't get utilized if we undercut them by 100% and we will continue to neutralize their detection system.

Face search is awesome, saves me time from looking through yandex images that are not even camgirl related. Any chance your face search will be available for all the sites you currently have downloads available from?

CamShowHub · (This post was last modified: 2019-08-05 9:40 by CamShowHub.)

(2019-08-05 9:19)8008s Wrote:
(2019-08-03 22:43)CamShowHub Wrote: Well, models might will approve the feature of mfc, but not what we do because of it.
Having 50 million free videos and face search is so much more damage than mfc could have ever asked for, not to mention that their new feature then won't get utilized if we undercut them by 100% and we will continue to neutralize their detection system.

Face search is awesome, saves me time from looking through yandex images that are not even camgirl related. Any chance your face search will be available for all the sites you currently have downloads available from?

No, the only reason why we made it available it because of the mentioned situation with mfc, this is not a feature we plan to roll out ever, but we will start to use it to map model accounts at some point, but we are still looking to improve accuracy until it reached the level we want it to be.
To give an example, we are looking to create a feature like, if you open a certain model and the system is confident to have seen the same face on another account, it will provide a link to the related profile(s) which is then globally.

8008s · 2019-08-05 10:02

(2019-08-05 9:35)CamShowHub Wrote:
(2019-08-05 9:19)8008s Wrote:
(2019-08-03 22:43)CamShowHub Wrote: Well, models might will approve the feature of mfc, but not what we do because of it.
Having 50 million free videos and face search is so much more damage than mfc could have ever asked for, not to mention that their new feature then won't get utilized if we undercut them by 100% and we will continue to neutralize their detection system.

Face search is awesome, saves me time from looking through yandex images that are not even camgirl related. Any chance your face search will be available for all the sites you currently have downloads available from?

No, the only reason why we made it available it because of the mentioned situation with mfc, this is not a feature we plan to roll out ever, but we will start to use it to map model accounts at some point, but we are still looking to improve accuracy until it reached the level we want it to be.
To give an example, we are looking to create a feature like, if you open a certain model and the system is confident to have seen the same face on another account, it will provide a link to the related profile(s) which is then globally.

Very smart hand to play. Your search is pretty accurate from my experiences, and I've done a lot of searches since it became an available feature. That future roll out sounds like it will be very useful. I'm on one of your sites every day and I have nothing but good things to say. Thank you.

lupaipupa · (This post was last modified: 2019-08-05 16:35 by lupaipupa.)

May i ask a question? How are some popular CB models (av. ~1000 people\room) are avoided recording for sites like CGV?

2019-08-05 18:28

It's the end of an Era. Sorry guys Sad

CamShowHub · 2019-08-05 18:35

(2019-08-05 18:28)Ztorf1234 Wrote: It's the end of an Era. Sorry guys

You are betting on the wrong team buddy Wink

2019-08-05 19:13

(2019-08-05 18:35)CamShowHub Wrote:
(2019-08-05 18:28)Ztorf1234 Wrote: It's the end of an Era. Sorry guys

You are betting on the wrong team buddy

I hope so. I love your service.

Szmitek · 2019-08-05 19:19

looks like other site CGV figure it out all new vids are full length

lupaipupa · (This post was last modified: 2019-08-05 22:47 by lupaipupa.)

(2019-08-05 18:28)Ztorf1234 Wrote: It's the end of an Era. Sorry guys

They're (MFC) even can't afford to give HD-stream choices for their users in 2019, while CB are offer 4k streaming since early 2017. I think MFC was doesn't know what to do w/ that site popularity mostly obtained by accident of rising online porn in early `10s and still ride the tide. Just right time and right place. No visionary. No great features. They're start these battle just for piece of pie. Not for quality of that pie

Szmitek · 2019-08-06 0:25

site is dead no new mfc vids Sad

Lucab · 2019-08-08 22:46

(2019-08-05 18:35)CamShowHub Wrote:
(2019-08-05 18:28)Ztorf1234 Wrote: It's the end of an Era. Sorry guys

You are betting on the wrong team buddy

Sorry but MFC win. Example : elise_b more than 1 hour on cam today, 3 poor videos 1 minute share by CamShowHub.
It's bad but MFC win :-(

deaf12dbz · (This post was last modified: 2019-08-08 23:52 by deaf12dbz.)

All that is left is to screen record and then edit it after.

Deadmau5 · 2019-08-11 16:35

the site detecte when someone is recording with bandicam?

CamShowHub · 2019-08-11 17:06

(2019-08-11 16:35)Deadmau5 Wrote: the site detecte when someone is recording with bandicam?

No.

Every screen-recorder works.

2019-08-21 15:42

what camshowhub is doing is awsome. Too bad the serivce isn't working when downloads take 7 hours to complete and fail halfway through.

2019-08-23 11:15

camshowdownload.com is the only one that is capping mfc reliably now.

Lucab · 2019-08-23 12:59

(2019-08-23 11:15)Guest Wrote: camshowdownload.com is the only one that is capping mfc reliably now.

MFC videos lag a lot. Example a video goes from 1mn18 to 4mn40, then 6mn to 9m30,.....
finally you see nothing. I downloaded a video that lasts 1h47, only 18mn can be viewed.

2019-08-23 13:09

anyone tried OBS?

2019-08-23 16:22

http://www.camwhores.tv/videos/private/y...fb5c139c3/

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