STUDIO OF PRIVATE RETARDATION

randomness · (This post was last modified: 2022-12-10 15:57 by randomness.)

I have no other ideas on what to call this studio, but this name is the first thing I think of every time. (I'd love to edit the title a better, maybe more PC name if anyone has good ideas.)

After a show today, where one of the models in the studio went private while she was near 4k viewers, with people closing goals out in minutes, and one viewer tipping multiple 2k token tips on top of immediately closing goals too, I wanted to post this. I've always questioned this studio, and this isn't the first time I've seen something like this happen - I, myself have been the victim of supporting busy public shows only to have it killed by (completely pointless) privates.

I don't want to witch-hunt nor really praise any particular model here - many of the girls I've spoken to are cool and good people - but I'll give a bit of the general reasons for the name, before listing all the models I can think of. Then perhaps content can be placed here as well. I believe these are almost entirely the decisions of the studio, so I don't want to blame the individuals (but I am just speculating):

First off, I believe the studio has the girls blindly take all private requests immediately, regardless of what is happening in public. I've only seen one model (likely the 2nd largest model in the studio), however also only once, deny privates, asking for the goal to be complete first - I've also seen that same model accept at terrible times.
All privates have a minimum private time and costs between 30-60tk. Okay, nothing wrong with this actually, but just a bit of warning that if you don't discuss the private beforehand in PM, they will do nothing during those first 5 minutes and intentionally "misunderstand" what you want. I've tested this just a couple times, and maybe I just got unlucky.
However, this also leads a bit into the next point. They also will not get naked in private unless you tip between 1500-3000 tks (again, so far in my experiences). Sometimes this is still a reasonable ask for nudity depending on the popularity / standing and comfort of the model.
So the actual problem with the additional price, some of these girls will be nude in public, yet if you go private, they can no longer stay nude unless you tip the additional cost required for it. It would be one thing if this was to maintain their public viewers, but again, they will blindly accept all private requests. So they could sit there doing nothing, taking your tokens/min of course, but losing members in public and any future tips they might have brought. Especially if the show was already going well.
A second problem with the prices is I've seen some of these girls with less than 30 viewers and sitting without a single tip for 3+ hours. There once again is no compromise with the additional cost to show any form of nudity. So these girls might get a PM tip and then the member will leave the room, as the cost isn't justified, and the model is left with little money. Or, someone will just blindly start a private, sit in it for the minimum 5 minutes (while nothing happens at all), then leave / downvote / unfollow / etc. The models I've seen like this likely didn't/won't last very long, however, there was certainly more that they could have made if they were allowed to make these decisions on their own.

One other thing, that might just be in my head, is that they have two different sections of the building, where they seem to segregate the girls. One has more colorful beds, decorations, and mirrors; the other is a plain, gray wall. It seems like the ones who are better able to communicate in English get the nicer rooms, and the others get a gray wall. Might just be my imagination on that point though.

Now as far as the actual models at this studio go, as the list seems to be growing, and some of them are popular (I'll try to include previous aliases and streaming sites where I know it, but help would be appreciated):

"Admins" / "Managers"
Frederika/Milly (CB - Frederika_Deli)
Vanessa (She's been around a long time and had a lot of accounts, but here are a few: CB - super_pusichki, CB/SC/C4- VanessaMorris)
Sara/Chloe/Olivia (She's been streaming a while too and seemed to stop streaming at the studio recently under CB - Chloe_Tin; a few previous names: CB - sarafairy, sara_mayer (on a bunch of sites with different underscore/dash/no space))

Models
_Katrin_Pirs_ (CB)
Bella_Shoks (CB)
Evi_Wow (CB)
Carla_Backer_ (CB)
Cheryl_Ray (CB, and taken over the Frederika_Deli on SC)
Hailey_Wells (CB)
Lilith_Chapman (CB)
Lilly_Mattsson (CB)
Lisa_Milkis (CB)
Mia_Monk (CB)
Molly_Marlow (CB and SC)
Nicole_Broown (CB and SC)
Riki_Tricky (CB)
Sarah_Warner (CB)
Violetta_Finch (CB)

2022-12-02 2:00

The webcam model industry is great, but there are many scams and weird things going on on some sites.
there a lot of stubborn egos and people making money off events that happened over a year ago.

just trying to get a video if a model can be an arduous of many hours and months of no success is draining.

so im taking this month off of searching for several videos and streaming models live.

hopefully i can resume my normal life before i started watching these fine, but fickle models.

maybe this might be a remedy for those who are annoyed as well

hoped this advice helped!

randomness · 2022-12-02 2:11

(2022-12-02 2:00)deleted account Wrote: The webcam model industry is great, but there are many scams and weird things going on on some sites.
there a lot of stubborn egos and people making money off events that happened over a year ago.

just trying to get a video if a model can be an arduous of many hours and months of no success is draining.

so im taking this month off of searching for several videos and streaming models live.

hopefully i can resume my normal life before i started watching these fine, but fickle models.

maybe this might be a remedy for those who are annoyed as well

hoped this advice helped!

I don't allow myself to really stress about it. I spend money and it's for fun, I don't consider it an investment for anything. So I run into anything that bothers me or feels like a scam, I just un-follow and I'm done.

randomness · (This post was last modified: 2022-12-02 2:19 by randomness.)

Here is the majority of a cutting show from today from Mia_Monk:

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https://dood.re/d/2on8j5cc32u1

mmodie · 2022-12-02 3:25

(2022-12-02 1:27)randomness Wrote: I, myself have been the victim of supporting busy public shows only to have it killed by (completely pointless) privates.

I don't understand why people even bother tipping Public shows. Literally don't tip. One of three things will happen:

Someone else will tip, and she will put on some sort of show; congrats, you didn't have to do anything
No one will tip, but she will start to do something anyways to try to encourage people to tip; congrats, you didn't have to do anything
No one will tip, and she will sit there and do nothing; but ... why's it on you to have to pay for 4K viewers to enjoy watching a show

A lot of models that go private will as soon as it's offered. Perhaps they would rather not do Public. Perhaps they think they already got tokens from Public, and so now milk tokens out of a private and spy. Some (not all) are able to pull off maintaining (for the most part) their audience even if they go private, and/or generally quickly grow it back up to pre-private viewership levels.

I don't understand the models that do the inverse. Their room is completely dead. No one has tipped in the past 3-hours, and they refuse to go Private, and only do Public shows.

That said, the best thing is probably somewhere in-between; they have to read the room and know when it's the opportune time to do what. And most models aren't geniuses, and not every strategy works for every model. And, most studios are run by idiots. They often have dumb rules, and when the models do not follow the dumb rules, the model gets fined (which some studios have been know to use in an exploitive manner to get around site rules regarding minimum %-payouts that must be paid to the model / maximum % takes that the studio can do).

Stick to free Public shows that you don't tip for, or do Group, Ticket and Private shows ... and if you go Private shows, have the preliminary convo in PM first, else you're just setting yourself up as a mark to be taken.

randomness · 2022-12-02 3:37

(2022-12-02 3:25)mmodie Wrote:
(2022-12-02 1:27)randomness Wrote: I, myself have been the victim of supporting busy public shows only to have it killed by (completely pointless) privates.

I don't understand why people even bother tipping Public shows. Literally don't tip. One of three things will happen:

Someone else will tip, and she will put on some sort of show; congrats, you didn't have to do anything

No one will tip, but she will start to do something anyways to try to encourage people to tip; congrats, you didn't have to do anything

No one will tip, and she will sit there and do nothing; but ... why's it on you to have to pay for 4K viewers to enjoy watching a show

A lot of models that go private will as soon as it's offered. Perhaps they would rather not do Public. Perhaps they think they already got tokens from Public, and so now milk tokens out of a private and spy. Some (not all) are able to pull off maintaining (for the most part) their audience even if they go private, and/or generally quickly grow it back up to pre-private viewership levels.

I don't understand the models that do the inverse. Their room is completely dead. No one has tipped in the past 3-hours, and they refuse to go Private, and only do Public shows.

That said, the best thing is probably somewhere in-between; they have to read the room and know when it's the opportune time to do what. And most models aren't geniuses, and not every strategy works for every model. And, most studios are run by idiots. They often have dumb rules, and when the models do not follow the dumb rules, the model gets fined (which some studios have been know to use in an exploitive manner to get around site rules regarding minimum %-payouts that must be paid to the model / maximum % takes that the studio can do).

Stick to free Public shows that you don't tip for, or do Group, Ticket and Private shows ... and if you go Private shows, have the preliminary convo in PM first, else you're just setting yourself up as a mark to be taken.

I don't really agree with that at all, but at the same time I very rarely sit there tipping in super busy rooms either. I have no issues with the money I'm spending and I like to support models I like as well. If everyone followed your logic, public shows wouldn't exist, and everything would be private. In general things in life, "why should I have to do it when someone else can?" doesn't seem like a good motto.

GoodLookingMofo · (This post was last modified: 2022-12-02 13:08 by GoodLookingMofo.)

(2022-12-02 1:27)randomness Wrote:
First off, I believe the studio has the girls blindly take all private requests immediately, regardless of what is happening in public. I've only seen one model (likely the 2nd largest model in the studio), however also only once, deny privates, asking for the goal to be complete first - I've also seen that same model accept at terrible times.

All privates have a minimum private time and costs between 30-60tk. Okay, nothing wrong with this actually, but just a bit of warning that if you don't discuss the private beforehand in PM, they will do nothing during those first 5 minutes and intentionally "misunderstand" what you want. I've tested this just a couple times, and maybe I just got unlucky.

However, this also leads a bit into the next point. They also will not get naked in private unless you tip between 1500-3000 tks (again, so far in my experiences). Sometimes this is still a reasonable ask for nudity depending on the popularity / standing and comfort of the model.

So the actual problem with the additional price, some of these girls will be nude in public, yet if you go private, they can no longer stay nude unless you tip the additional cost required for it. It would be one thing if this was to maintain their public viewers, but again, they will blindly accept all private requests. So they could sit there doing nothing, taking your tokens/min of course, but losing members in public and any future tips they might have brought. Especially if the show was already going well.

A second problem with the prices is I've seen some of these girls with less than 30 viewers and sitting without a single tip for 3+ hours. There once again is no compromise with the additional cost to show any form of nudity. So these girls might get a PM tip and then the member will leave the room, as the cost isn't justified, and the model is left with little money. Or, someone will just blindly start a private, sit in it for the minimum 5 minutes (while nothing happens at all), then leave / downvote / unfollow / etc. The models I've seen like this likely didn't/won't last very long, however, there was certainly more that they could have made if they were allowed to make these decisions on their own.

One other thing, that might just be in my head, is that they have two different sections of the building, where they seem to segregate the girls. One has more colorful beds, decorations, and mirrors; the other is a plain, gray wall. It seems like the ones who are better able to communicate in English get the nicer rooms, and the others get a gray wall. Might just be my imagination on that point though.

Now as far as the actual models at this studio go, as the list seems to be growing, and some of them are popular (I'll try to include previous aliases and streaming sites where I know it, but help would be appreciated):

"Admins" / "Managers"
Frederika/Milly (CB - Frederika_Deli)
Vanessa (She's been around a long time and had a lot of accounts, but here are a few: CB - super_pusichki, CB/SC/C4- VanessaMorris)
Sara/Chloe/Olivia (She's been streaming a while too and seemed to stop streaming at the studio recently under CB - Chloe_Tin; a few previous names: CB - sarafairy, sara_mayer (on a bunch of sites with different underscore/dash/no space))

Models
_Katrin_Pirs_ (CB)
Cheryl_Ray (CB, and taken over the Frederika_Deli on SC)
Hailey_Wells (CB)
Lilith_Chapman (CB)
Lilly_Mattsson (CB)
Mia_Monk (CB)
Molly_Marlow (CB and SC)
Nicole_Broown (CB and SC)
Riki_Tricky (CB)
Sarah_Warner (CB)
Violetta_Finch (CB)

Business scheme used by this Studio is built to confuse users and make them spend more, that's why you do not see any logic in it.

You are not dealing with a homemade studio but a Russian company which has been working for years in the Industry.

(2022-12-02 1:27)randomness Wrote: One other thing, that might just be in my head, is that they have two different sections of the building, where they seem to segregate the girls. One has more colorful beds, decorations, and mirrors; the other is a plain, gray wall. It seems like the ones who are better able to communicate in English get the nicer rooms, and the others get a gray wall. Might just be my imagination on that point though.

Not in your head, this is actually different locations. They offer many working locations across Northwestern district, as well as remote working. This is mentioned on their social media.

User satisfaction is obviously not a goal for them, but they are not scamming anyone. If you do not like how they work, just don't tip and move on. You will find a Studio and model which match your interests.

Don't waste your time trying to understand a black box scheme.

devloop · (This post was last modified: 2022-12-02 14:48 by devloop.)

(2022-12-02 13:06)GoodLookingMofo Wrote:
(2022-12-02 1:27)randomness Wrote:
First off, I believe the studio has the girls blindly take all private requests immediately, regardless of what is happening in public. I've only seen one model (likely the 2nd largest model in the studio), however also only once, deny privates, asking for the goal to be complete first - I've also seen that same model accept at terrible times.

All privates have a minimum private time and costs between 30-60tk. Okay, nothing wrong with this actually, but just a bit of warning that if you don't discuss the private beforehand in PM, they will do nothing during those first 5 minutes and intentionally "misunderstand" what you want. I've tested this just a couple times, and maybe I just got unlucky.

However, this also leads a bit into the next point. They also will not get naked in private unless you tip between 1500-3000 tks (again, so far in my experiences). Sometimes this is still a reasonable ask for nudity depending on the popularity / standing and comfort of the model.

So the actual problem with the additional price, some of these girls will be nude in public, yet if you go private, they can no longer stay nude unless you tip the additional cost required for it. It would be one thing if this was to maintain their public viewers, but again, they will blindly accept all private requests. So they could sit there doing nothing, taking your tokens/min of course, but losing members in public and any future tips they might have brought. Especially if the show was already going well.

A second problem with the prices is I've seen some of these girls with less than 30 viewers and sitting without a single tip for 3+ hours. There once again is no compromise with the additional cost to show any form of nudity. So these girls might get a PM tip and then the member will leave the room, as the cost isn't justified, and the model is left with little money. Or, someone will just blindly start a private, sit in it for the minimum 5 minutes (while nothing happens at all), then leave / downvote / unfollow / etc. The models I've seen like this likely didn't/won't last very long, however, there was certainly more that they could have made if they were allowed to make these decisions on their own.

One other thing, that might just be in my head, is that they have two different sections of the building, where they seem to segregate the girls. One has more colorful beds, decorations, and mirrors; the other is a plain, gray wall. It seems like the ones who are better able to communicate in English get the nicer rooms, and the others get a gray wall. Might just be my imagination on that point though.

Now as far as the actual models at this studio go, as the list seems to be growing, and some of them are popular (I'll try to include previous aliases and streaming sites where I know it, but help would be appreciated):

"Admins" / "Managers"
Frederika/Milly (CB - Frederika_Deli)
Vanessa (She's been around a long time and had a lot of accounts, but here are a few: CB - super_pusichki, CB/SC/C4- VanessaMorris)
Sara/Chloe/Olivia (She's been streaming a while too and seemed to stop streaming at the studio recently under CB - Chloe_Tin; a few previous names: CB - sarafairy, sara_mayer (on a bunch of sites with different underscore/dash/no space))

Models
_Katrin_Pirs_ (CB)
Cheryl_Ray (CB, and taken over the Frederika_Deli on SC)
Hailey_Wells (CB)
Lilith_Chapman (CB)
Lilly_Mattsson (CB)
Mia_Monk (CB)
Molly_Marlow (CB and SC)
Nicole_Broown (CB and SC)
Riki_Tricky (CB)
Sarah_Warner (CB)
Violetta_Finch (CB)

Business scheme used by this Studio is built to confuse users and make them spend more, that's why you do not see any logic in it.

You are not dealing with a homemade studio but a Russian company which has been working for years in the Industry.

(2022-12-02 1:27)randomness Wrote: One other thing, that might just be in my head, is that they have two different sections of the building, where they seem to segregate the girls. One has more colorful beds, decorations, and mirrors; the other is a plain, gray wall. It seems like the ones who are better able to communicate in English get the nicer rooms, and the others get a gray wall. Might just be my imagination on that point though.

Not in your head, this is actually different locations. They offer many working locations across Northwestern district, as well as remote working. This is mentioned on their social media.

User satisfaction is obviously not a goal for them, but they are not scamming anyone. If you do not like how they work, just don't tip and move on. You will find a Studio and model which match your interests.

Don't waste your time trying to understand a black box scheme.

I thought you were taking a week off. Are you so bored ? Big Grin

sfmpegs · 2022-12-02 18:37

(2022-12-02 1:27)randomness Wrote: Models
_Katrin_Pirs_ (CB)
Cheryl_Ray (CB, and taken over the Frederika_Deli on SC)
Hailey_Wells (CB)
Lilith_Chapman (CB)
Lilly_Mattsson (CB)
Mia_Monk (CB)
Molly_Marlow (CB and SC)
Nicole_Broown (CB and SC)
Riki_Tricky (CB)
Sarah_Warner (CB)
Violetta_Finch (CB)

Thanks for the list of models!
Since i noticed some of them, too it will be interesting to check out the other girls, too.

From someone who never tips anything's view:
The models i watch (Mia_Monk and Katrin_Pirs) are super beautiful and in good mood. I always enjoy staying in their rooms.
But: to everyone it's preferences!!!

GoodLookingMofo · 2022-12-02 19:09

(2022-12-02 14:45)devloop Wrote: I thought you were taking a week off. Are you so bored ?

Not bored, just distracted. Big Grin

This is another user exposing a RANDOM Studio business scheme (Read My Lips !).

I basically wanted to say that Studios have agreements with cam sites and models, not with users. They don't have to care about user experience or satisfaction. They mostly care about when, how and how much they can earn from them.

In my opinion, there is nothing else to say about this.

Alzbeth · 2022-12-02 20:33

(2022-12-02 19:09)GoodLookingMofo Wrote:
(2022-12-02 14:45)devloop Wrote: I thought you were taking a week off. Are you so bored ?

Not bored, just distracted.

This is another user exposing a RANDOM Studio business scheme (Read My Lips !).

I basically wanted to say that Studios have agreements with cam sites and models, not with users. They don't have to care about user experience or satisfaction. They mostly care about when, how and how much they can earn from them.

In my opinion, there is nothing else to say about this.

Studios

If a girl WORKS for a studio then it's simply all about money, it's a job!! Yes! Caming as such is about money Wink

But there is a difference between girls who are 'owned' by a studio and those who broadcast independently from home. The latter do not have a 'pimp' in the background who sees them simply as a source of income. To be honest, I will never understand why most of you here are so obsessed by 'Studio Girls' Rolleyes

Are these more beautiful? More exciting? Or whatever? I really don't think so!! Most of the time they behave like robots Big Grin

For them you are only the wallet, they will always promise you heaven on earth Big Grin

Think about it! If you are not only interested in jerking off but also in some form of conversation, human to human, then forget about these 'Studio Girls'. They shit on you as long as the dollar is rolling Big Grin

Elscorcho · (This post was last modified: 2022-12-02 21:18 by Elscorcho.)

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There are 2 different models using the Chloe_tin name. Anyone recognize the one in this link? she was super hot, but i've only seen "the other" chloe_tin lately.

randomness · 2022-12-02 22:02

(2022-12-02 21:10)Elscorcho Wrote:
Spoiler: Img

There are 2 different models using the Chloe_tin name. Anyone recognize the one in this link? she was super hot, but i've only seen "the other" chloe_tin lately.

Not really sure what you're linking, but here's a screenshot of her from right now:

[Image: jLOBBrt.png]

Elscorcho · 2022-12-02 22:39

(2022-12-02 22:02)randomness Wrote:
(2022-12-02 21:10)Elscorcho Wrote:
Spoiler: Img

There are 2 different models using the Chloe_tin name. Anyone recognize the one in this link? she was super hot, but i've only seen "the other" chloe_tin lately.

Not really sure what you're linking, but here's a screenshot of her from right now:

Spoiler: Img

Maybe my picture didn't load...Here's a picture of the girl i was asking about. She used the Chloe_tin name first and then it switched to the girl in your photo. Was curious if anyone knew more about the girl in my photo. If you look on Recurbate you can see the girl i'm talking about in the earlier images.

https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEH6KGK

randomness · 2022-12-02 22:43

(2022-12-02 22:39)Elscorcho Wrote:
(2022-12-02 22:02)randomness Wrote:
(2022-12-02 21:10)Elscorcho Wrote:
Spoiler: Img

There are 2 different models using the Chloe_tin name. Anyone recognize the one in this link? she was super hot, but i've only seen "the other" chloe_tin lately.

Not really sure what you're linking, but here's a screenshot of her from right now:

Spoiler: Img

Maybe my picture didn't load...Here's a picture of the girl i was asking about. She used the Chloe_tin name first and then it switched to the girl in your photo. Was curious if anyone knew more about the girl in my photo. If you look on Recurbate you can see the girl i'm talking about in the earlier images.

https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEH6KGK

Not sure, don't recognize her, and it looks like she maybe streamed 3 days, if recurbate records are accurate to that.

Joooooee · 2022-12-03 7:40

1) create a thread with a random topic
2) dont forget to add a list of attractive whores in it
3) bump your thread by answering to your own post with multiple accounts
4) start to drop dood links and wait for a fish to click on it

kneel before the genius.

sfmpegs · 2022-12-03 8:32

(2022-12-02 20:33)Alzbeth Wrote: Studios If a girl WORKS for a studio then it's simply all about money, it's a job!! Yes! Caming as such is about money But there is a difference between girls who are 'owned' by a studio and those who broadcast independently from home. The latter do not have a 'pimp' in the background who sees them simply as a source of income. To be honest, I will never understand why most of you here are so obsessed by 'Studio Girls' Are these more beautiful? More exciting? Or whatever? I really don't think so!! Most of the time they behave like robots For them you are only the wallet, they will always promise you heaven on earth Think about it! If you are not only interested in jerking off but also in some form of conversation, human to human, then forget about these 'Studio Girls'. They shit on you as long as the dollar is rolling

Why do people try to put science into webcam industry? Rolleyes

supercross · 2022-12-03 9:42

(2022-12-03 8:32)sfmpegs Wrote: Why do people try to put science into webcam industry?

Maybe to earn money by doing something smarter than throwing referral links to stolen contents ??

Newsreader · 2022-12-03 10:59

(2022-12-02 20:33)Alzbeth Wrote: Studios If a girl WORKS for a studio then it's simply all about money, it's a job!! Yes! Caming as such is about money But there is a difference between girls who are 'owned' by a studio and those who broadcast independently from home. The latter do not have a 'pimp' in the background who sees them simply as a source of income. To be honest, I will never understand why most of you here are so obsessed by 'Studio Girls' Are these more beautiful? More exciting? Or whatever? I really don't think so!! Most of the time they behave like robots For them you are only the wallet, they will always promise you heaven on earth Think about it! If you are not only interested in jerking off but also in some form of conversation, human to human, then forget about these 'Studio Girls'. They shit on you as long as the dollar is rolling

I know this going off topic, but if you are a regular in a studio room, and you tip often, try telling the model you can no longer tip her, and make an excuse why. You will then know how tight the studio rules are, and if the model has a say in what happens in 'her room' or not.
Usually it is an offer of a password, as studios set a minimum limit on private price, but a password, sometimes is the models choice. One model, offered me a one hour password for 200 tokens, which easy maths, is a lot cheaper than 6/m (I think the lowest she could set private cost was 18/m?)

As to say, again, studios are only after money. And if they are not popular, you can easily get these deals, if the model has a say.

GoodLookingMofo · (This post was last modified: 2022-12-03 11:34 by GoodLookingMofo.)

(2022-12-03 9:42)supercross Wrote:
(2022-12-03 8:32)sfmpegs Wrote: Why do people try to put science into webcam industry?

Maybe to earn money by doing something smarter than throwing referral links to stolen contents ??

It makes sense to put science in any industry in order to understand, innovate and predict how that industry will be affected by emerging social, economic and technology trends.

For example, that's how we can state that porn affiliate programs through referral links are going to an end. Especially those which involve copyright infringements or traffic laundering. And in any case, there is only a very few professionals who actually earn money from such activity while the others struggle for crumbs (and this will never change).

So you are right in saying that science helps to find smarter ways but most importantly, legal and sustainable ways to earn money, even in webcam industry.

mmodie · 2022-12-03 14:16

(2022-12-02 3:37)randomness Wrote: In general things in life, "why should I have to do it when someone else can?" doesn't seem like a good motto.

If that was true, then the idiom of why buy the cow, when you get the milk for free would never have existed.

It reminds me of a sandwich shop that used to make $5 sandwiches, and then one day changed their business model to "pay what you want": $0 or more. That shop quickly went out of business. Why? Because people aren't going to pay more than they have to pay. I'm not throwing down $20 for a sandwich when the five people ahead of me all paid $1 or less for the same thing.

When I want to act charitable, I donate to a charity. I don't play pricing games with sandwich shops or camwhores. While certain exceptions exist, a more realistic generality is to charge the same price for the product or service you're selling. (Yes, prices may vary region to region, or potentially offered at a discount for the less fortunate ... but watching a camwhore get naked and fap is not core necessity for life)

This is why I find Group, Private, Ticket shows much much better. Have a standard price of admission (or price per minute rate for viewing). Otherwise, you're always going to have suckers that overpay to float the dead-weight of everyone else. Sounds like the dumbest system to contribute your money into. Because unlike the sandwich shop, it's the dudes throwing out their money that ends up going out of business.

sfmpegs · 2022-12-03 14:42

(2022-12-03 11:31)GoodLookingMofo Wrote:
(2022-12-03 9:42)supercross Wrote:
(2022-12-03 8:32)sfmpegs Wrote: Why do people try to put science into webcam industry?

Maybe to earn money by doing something smarter than throwing referral links to stolen contents ??

It makes sense to put science in any industry in order to understand, innovate and predict how that industry will be affected by emerging social, economic and technology trends.

For example, that's how we can state that porn affiliate programs through referral links are going to an end. Especially those which involve copyright infringements or traffic laundering. And in any case, there is only a very few professionals who actually earn money from such activity while the others struggle for crumbs (and this will never change).

So you are right in saying that science helps to find smarter ways but most importantly, legal and sustainable ways to earn money, even in webcam industry.

I agree, science of knowing how models and studios work can save people willing to tip a lot of money.
But there's still the human factor, which can't be put over all girls! And that's what makes it interesting for me!

randomness · 2022-12-03 16:07

(2022-12-02 20:33)Alzbeth Wrote:
(2022-12-02 19:09)GoodLookingMofo Wrote:
(2022-12-02 14:45)devloop Wrote: I thought you were taking a week off. Are you so bored ?

Not bored, just distracted.

This is another user exposing a RANDOM Studio business scheme (Read My Lips !).

I basically wanted to say that Studios have agreements with cam sites and models, not with users. They don't have to care about user experience or satisfaction. They mostly care about when, how and how much they can earn from them.

In my opinion, there is nothing else to say about this.

Studios If a girl WORKS for a studio then it's simply all about money, it's a job!! Yes! Caming as such is about money But there is a difference between girls who are 'owned' by a studio and those who broadcast independently from home. The latter do not have a 'pimp' in the background who sees them simply as a source of income. To be honest, I will never understand why most of you here are so obsessed by 'Studio Girls' Are these more beautiful? More exciting? Or whatever? I really don't think so!! Most of the time they behave like robots For them you are only the wallet, they will always promise you heaven on earth Think about it! If you are not only interested in jerking off but also in some form of conversation, human to human, then forget about these 'Studio Girls'. They shit on you as long as the dollar is rolling

I don't really disagree with most of this, except the whole "human to human". Just because they work at a studio doesn't mean you can't actually converse with them too. Pretty much the only reason I start associating with multiple people at a studio is because I initially chat more with one girl - maybe it's all lies, but most of CB is lies built for fantasies (money), and I expect and accept that. You chat with someone and they talk about their friend (studio makes them refer other models), so maybe you hang out with that new person too. I see it no different than making a friend from a friend in RL, as far as the quality of the person goes. If they feel like robots, start scamming, or whatever other negative thing I just stop tipping and/or un-follow and move on.

GoodLookingMofo · (This post was last modified: 2022-12-03 16:20 by GoodLookingMofo.)

(2022-12-03 14:42)sfmpegs Wrote: I agree, science of knowing how models and studios work can save people willing to tip a lot of money.
But there's still the human factor, which can't be put over all girls! And that's what makes it interesting for me!

...or it can help models and studios to increase profits by making them spend even more.

I agree with you about the human factor even though AI algorithms are already outclassing it in many digital fields. Camming is not an exception to this.

GoodLookingMofo · (This post was last modified: 2022-12-03 17:08 by GoodLookingMofo.)

(2022-12-03 16:07)randomness Wrote: I don't really disagree with most of this, except the whole "human to human". Just because they work at a studio doesn't mean you can't actually converse with them too. Pretty much the only reason I start associating with multiple people at a studio is because I initially chat more with one girl - maybe it's all lies, but most of CB is lies built for fantasies (money), and I expect and accept that. You chat with someone and they talk about their friend (studio makes them refer other models), so maybe you hang out with that new person too. I see it no different than making a friend from a friend in RL, as far as the quality of the person goes. If they feel like robots, start scamming, or whatever other negative thing I just stop tipping and/or un-follow and move on.

What you describe is more about "making acquaintance" than making friends. Maybe we don't have the same meaning of what a friend is.

Ask yourself: would those camgirls even look at me and say hello in real life ? Considering you are probably (much more) older than them, living in a different culture and mostly in the "shitty adult world of responsibilities". The answer is most likely no, unless they are working with you or engaged in some kind of a transaction.

Of course there are still young horny *good girls* looking for older men in nightclubs because they have something to prove to themselves or because they want gifts, but this is still not a friendship. Wink

I know I am killing the fantasy but saying it could prevent many people from getting addicted to camgirls and blindly spend thousands dollars thinking they are building something.

randomness · 2022-12-03 17:27

(2022-12-03 16:44)GoodLookingMofo Wrote:
(2022-12-03 16:07)randomness Wrote: I don't really disagree with most of this, except the whole "human to human". Just because they work at a studio doesn't mean you can't actually converse with them too. Pretty much the only reason I start associating with multiple people at a studio is because I initially chat more with one girl - maybe it's all lies, but most of CB is lies built for fantasies (money), and I expect and accept that. You chat with someone and they talk about their friend (studio makes them refer other models), so maybe you hang out with that new person too. I see it no different than making a friend from a friend in RL, as far as the quality of the person goes. If they feel like robots, start scamming, or whatever other negative thing I just stop tipping and/or un-follow and move on.

What you describe is more about "making acquaintance" than making friends. Maybe we don't have the same meaning of what a friend is.

Ask yourself: would those camgirls even look at me and say hello in real life ? Considering you are probably (much more) older than them, living in a different culture and mostly in the "shitty adult world of responsibilities". The answer is most likely no, unless they are working with you or engaged in some kind of a transaction.

Of course there are still young horny *good girls* looking for older men in nightclubs because they have something to prove to themselves or because they want gifts, but this is still not a friendship.

I know I am killing the fantasy but saying it could prevent many people from getting addicted to camgirls and blindly spend thousands dollars thinking they are building something.

I probably used a bad analogy. I become friendly with some, but I don't consider them "friends" and I don't try to imagine any sort of actual real life scenarios. I'm in my 30s and in decent shape, so I still have the occasional, good-looking, younger girls talk to me in clubs, but usually I'm looking for a bit more maturity anyways. Not a ton of experience in other cultures in these regards though, as most my travels to other countries have been business related.

Nothing that's killing the fantasy for me. I set an allowance for myself per month and whoever is keeping me entertained with conversation or nudity gets it. I'm not spending any amount of money that has any meaningful financial impact on me.

GoodLookingMofo · (This post was last modified: 2022-12-04 15:06 by GoodLookingMofo.)

(2022-12-03 17:27)randomness Wrote: I'm in my 30s and in decent shape, so I still have the occasional, good-looking, younger girls talk to me in clubs, but usually I'm looking for a bit more maturity anyways.

I actually mentioned young nightclub girls because I use to make an analogy between them and camgirls in terms of maturity and behavior. From my perspective, that kind of interaction (I mean women in their early twenties with middle-aged men) should not (SHOULD not) go beyond flirting.

(2022-12-03 17:27)randomness Wrote: Nothing that's killing the fantasy for me. I set an allowance for myself per month and whoever is keeping me entertained with conversation or nudity gets it. I'm not spending any amount of money that has any meaningful financial impact on me.

It means that you understood what this is all about and how do deal with it "positively". Sadly average cam sites users don't and that's why I keep on repeating it, again and again...

mmodie · 2022-12-04 1:28

(2022-12-03 18:52)GoodLookingMofo Wrote: From my perspective, that kind of interaction (I mean women in their early twenties with middle-aged men) should not (SHOULD not) go beyond flirting.

You've got a fucked up perspective. Why should you care about what two, legally-aged, consenting adults make a choice to do ... unless you're just worried about competition.

(2022-12-03 18:52)GoodLookingMofo Wrote:
(2022-12-03 17:27)randomness Wrote: I'm not spending any amount of money that has any meaningful financial impact on me.

Sadly average cam sites users don't and that's why I keep on repeating it

The average cam sites users ... you've done some sort of study? Because that doesn't align with what I've seen over the years. On sites and boards such as these, on a daily, sometimes even hourly basis I see people begging for help because they can't afford the Group/Private/Ticket show. Either they don't have a job (meaning they have larger financial impacts beyond the sites), or they can't afford the show because they've spent their money on food, rent and bills.

Maybe a handful of times in all of my years on various places I have seen someone actually write "Well, after spending money on that show, now I won't have money for rent/food/bills." or my personal favorite "It looks like it's rice, water and beans again this week, boys." And the majority of the time when I do see such a comment, it comes off sarcastically.

I'm not saying that this scenario never happens ... I'm sure it does. But to claim that this is the "average cam site user" ... you're out of your mind. And you know, maybe you're not crazy, but rather just projecting your problems on the vast majority of others as a self-coping mechanism. But to think that the average user going to these sites are blowing their budgets so egregiously that it has a meaningful financial impact is hilarious.

Who knows, perhaps your view of "meaningful financial impact" is differently than most. To me, this is "not paying rent", or "defaulting on your bills". It's not "going to McDonalds 3 times a week instead of 6 times a week", or "deciding not buying some PPV special on cable", all because you bought tokens for a Group show.

randomness · 2022-12-04 2:43

(2022-12-04 1:28)mmodie Wrote: Who knows, perhaps your view of "meaningful financial impact" is differently than most. To me, this is "not paying rent", or "defaulting on your bills". It's not "going to McDonalds 3 times a week instead of 6 times a week", or "deciding not buying some PPV special on cable", all because you bought tokens for a Group show.

For me, it means that it doesn't affect my decisions on what I purchase or do whatsoever, nor does it cause me debt. If I had adjust what I do in life because I chose to pay for porn, that's a problem for me.

GoodLookingMofo · (This post was last modified: 2022-12-04 9:58 by GoodLookingMofo.)

(2022-12-04 1:28)mmodie Wrote: The average cam sites users ... you've done some sort of study? Because that doesn't align with what I've seen over the years.

Yes, as it was already mentioned here by my pairs, I do such studies (reports) and I have been affected to camming topic for almost 2 years now with some other mates browsing this forum (this is just a forum among many others). Sitting here is just part of my weekly tasks.

We have access to many data sources to make our statements (including from users, studios, admins, models, cam sites, affiliates and payment providers). I kindly give you some hints and information that I have because I am a scientist who likes to interact with people in general. Sometimes I just share to get a feedback "from the field" and make my writings more "human readable". This is still the hardest part for me.

(2022-12-04 1:28)mmodie Wrote: Maybe a handful of times in all of my years on various places I have seen someone actually write "Well, after spending money on that show, now I won't have money for rent/food/bills." or my personal favorite "It looks like it's rice, water and beans again this week, boys." And the majority of the time when I do see such a comment, it comes off sarcastically.

"Average users" monthly spend more than they can afford. That's a fact. We took a representative sample of users and made surveys over months. In addition to this and more specifically, we processed data from various sources (payment providers, cam sites, studios, models) then we mixed all this with country tiers and (for example) their respective gross domestic product, income, consumption habits by social and age groups, compared it with other studies through various literature reviews and more. This is actually only what I am aware of.

All this to say that yes, average users spend more than they should and it has financial and social consequences for them.

Users don't complain about how much they spend monthly on cam sites (and consequences) mainly because:

They are not aware of it (do not review their account statements)
They "don't want" to know (addiction cycle)
They are ashamed to talk about it.

In conclusion, you won't infer average users actual expenses by reading general chat and make your own assumptions.

To make an analogy: as a casino player, try to infer another player expenses and actual debt just by looking at him and listening to what he says... You will admit it doesn't make sense.

However, casinos, payment providers, credit cards providers and various other data sources can accurately say (directly or indirectly) that this person is facing a tough financial situation due to his playing habits.

You get the big picture.

(2022-12-04 1:28)mmodie Wrote: ... you're out of your mind.

Yes I am literally out of my mind. That's how I have to be when I conduct a study . There is no room for subjective assumptions. I say it sarcastically, but this is how academics and scientist have to work.

Sometimes I write personal comments here but I always mark them with a "in my opinion" to not get scolded by the "Final boss".

And yes I am probably crazy, but in an acceptable level according to my supervisors. Not dangerous they said. Big Grin

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