(2022-12-03 18:31)LJlover Wrote: 2 years ago about all the girls in the hotflirt category of LJ did nude shows
Now most of them just do topless or nothing at all, really the site is way worse nowedays
(2023-02-10 7:35)rambidenza Wrote: there's no such thing as "soulmate widestream category". widestream is a russian webcam studio not a model category. about 20 lj models are from this studio. on the other hand "soul mate" and "hot flirt" are two of the lj model categories. most non nude models may be best suited for the soulmate category. models in the hotflirt category ain't obliged to perform explicit content such as undressing or nudity during private shows but it's up to such models. nudity mayn't be guaranteed for some. it's merely my opinion.
(2022-12-03 18:31)LJlover Wrote: 2 years ago about all the girls in the hotflirt category of LJ did nude shows
Now most of them just do topless or nothing at all, really the site is way worse nowedays
(2023-02-10 10:34)slashdotzero Wrote:(2022-12-03 18:31)LJlover Wrote: 2 years ago about all the girls in the hotflirt category of LJ did nude shows
Now most of them just do topless or nothing at all, really the site is way worse nowedays
About 60% of the Hot Flirts actually do get full naked. They just want extra money for it. This is a new tactic by studio managers to get extra money from customers. If a model says she doesn't get naked, but she is getting $200 tips and above multiple times a week from different people, she most likely is doing nude shows for some people.
LJ is part of the problem also. Years ago Hot Flirts and Soul Mates wouldn't be on the main page. You had to click into a different category to see them. Now they are mixed in together with the Girl models on the main page. So the "non nudes" can now get more attention. Another problem is the tip toys and King of the Room status. It encourages people to tip for bullshit. Which then leads to models asking for big tips to show nudity. The LJ bonus credits made things worse also. Studio managers know customers can get a lot of bonus credits on LJ. So they encourage models to ask for huge tips when they are LJ exclusive.
What's more annoying to me is the studios that allow models to do topless, but showing genitals is not allowed. Or some can go full nude, but can't or don't want to spread their legs or do doggy when they are full nude. Just imagine tipping $500 for them to go full nude. Then when their panties are off, they say they wont spread their legs.
That itself is like a scam because they know exactly what guys expect to see, but they play dumb so they can get big tips without showing anything. And it would be hard to get a refund because technically they did go full nude. You need to be careful and make sure they are willing to show everything even when they do agree to go full nude.
I don't even get why people still use LJ as their main site. The site is garbage now. There is less bullshit on Streamate and StripChat and you can save a lot more money.
(2023-02-10 11:14)idioticidiot Wrote:(2023-02-10 10:34)slashdotzero Wrote:(2022-12-03 18:31)LJlover Wrote: 2 years ago about all the girls in the hotflirt category of LJ did nude shows
Now most of them just do topless or nothing at all, really the site is way worse nowedays
About 60% of the Hot Flirts actually do get full naked. They just want extra money for it. This is a new tactic by studio managers to get extra money from customers. If a model says she doesn't get naked, but she is getting $200 tips and above multiple times a week from different people, she most likely is doing nude shows for some people.
LJ is part of the problem also. Years ago Hot Flirts and Soul Mates wouldn't be on the main page. You had to click into a different category to see them. Now they are mixed in together with the Girl models on the main page. So the "non nudes" can now get more attention. Another problem is the tip toys and King of the Room status. It encourages people to tip for bullshit. Which then leads to models asking for big tips to show nudity. The LJ bonus credits made things worse also. Studio managers know customers can get a lot of bonus credits on LJ. So they encourage models to ask for huge tips when they are LJ exclusive.
What's more annoying to me is the studios that allow models to do topless, but showing genitals is not allowed. Or some can go full nude, but can't or don't want to spread their legs or do doggy when they are full nude. Just imagine tipping $500 for them to go full nude. Then when their panties are off, they say they wont spread their legs.
That itself is like a scam because they know exactly what guys expect to see, but they play dumb so they can get big tips without showing anything. And it would be hard to get a refund because technically they did go full nude. You need to be careful and make sure they are willing to show everything even when they do agree to go full nude.
I don't even get why people still use LJ as their main site. The site is garbage now. There is less bullshit on Streamate and StripChat and you can save a lot more money.
Thanks for those explanations. I agree with your observations. I've been an exclusively LiveJasmin-only user for a long time, but perhaps I'll expand to those other options that you mentioned. Cheers.
(2023-02-10 8:37)LJlover Wrote:(2023-02-10 7:35)rambidenza Wrote: there's no such thing as "soulmate widestream category". widestream is a russian webcam studio not a model category. about 20 lj models are from this studio. on the other hand "soul mate" and "hot flirt" are two of the lj model categories. most non nude models may be best suited for the soulmate category. models in the hotflirt category ain't obliged to perform explicit content such as undressing or nudity during private shows but it's up to such models. nudity mayn't be guaranteed for some. it's merely my opinion.
I know they arent obligated to perform explict contect, im just saying that about 2 years ago almost all of them did full naked shows and nowedays its rare to find one that do.
(2023-02-11 6:37)rambidenza Wrote:(2023-02-10 8:37)LJlover Wrote:(2023-02-10 7:35)rambidenza Wrote: there's no such thing as "soulmate widestream category". widestream is a russian webcam studio not a model category. about 20 lj models are from this studio. on the other hand "soul mate" and "hot flirt" are two of the lj model categories. most non nude models may be best suited for the soulmate category. models in the hotflirt category ain't obliged to perform explicit content such as undressing or nudity during private shows but it's up to such models. nudity mayn't be guaranteed for some. it's merely my opinion.
I know they arent obligated to perform explict contect, im just saying that about 2 years ago almost all of them did full naked shows and nowedays its rare to find one that do.
formally hot flirt isn't classified as one of the nude categories for models on livejasmin and sister sites. idk anything about your subject back in 2020 or earlier as i registered a member account on lj in mid 2021. but you think you wanted see such models getting fully nude with their genitalia visible then? if you really want so w/out sending alot more surprises or spending much more time by consuming more credits in a private show, consider going to girl category which is one of the nude categories. perhaps female models in such categories are now allowed to show their nipples in the free chat area?
also there's the "free show" category that only appears on sister sites except livejasmin (bimbim.com is one of those sister sites). from what i know models from this category can get nude or show their genitals in either free chat or private chat area. for all other model categories such explicit activities in the free chat area are prohibited per rules or "terms and conditions" of the lj site.
(2023-02-10 11:19)Al Bundy Wrote:(2023-02-10 11:14)idioticidiot Wrote: Thanks for those explanations. I agree with your observations. I've been an exclusively LiveJasmin-only user for a long time, but perhaps I'll expand to those other options that you mentioned. Cheers.
Your statement is more than contradictory.
(2023-02-11 13:47)slashdotzero Wrote:(2023-02-11 6:37)rambidenza Wrote:(2023-02-10 8:37)LJlover Wrote: I know they arent obligated to perform explict contect, im just saying that about 2 years ago almost all of them did full naked shows and nowedays its rare to find one that do.
formally hot flirt isn't classified as one of the nude categories for models on livejasmin and sister sites. idk anything about your subject back in 2020 or earlier as i registered a member account on lj in mid 2021. but you think you wanted see such models getting fully nude with their genitalia visible then? if you really want so w/out sending alot more surprises or spending much more time by consuming more credits in a private show, consider going to girl category which is one of the nude categories. perhaps female models in such categories are now allowed to show their nipples in the free chat area?
also there's the "free show" category that only appears on sister sites except livejasmin (bimbim.com is one of those sister sites). from what i know models from this category can get nude or show their genitals in either free chat or private chat area. for all other model categories such explicit activities in the free chat area are prohibited per rules or "terms and conditions" of the lj site.
Most of us are aware of where to get free nude public shows if we wanted that. You can already see that on Chaturbate, StripChat, MyFreeCams, and sometimes Streamate. The HotFlirt category means they may or may not get nude. It's their choice. It's not a strict non nude category. Soul Mate is the category that is strictly non nude.
The problem is there are too many "non nudes" on LiveJasmin now, that are not actually non nude. They just want extra for it. The site was not like that before years ago. Models were more honest about what they were willing to do, and the studios were not pressuring the models to only do nude shows for extra.
You say we should stick to the Girl category. Even some Girl models can sometimes be topless only and give you a hard time. Besides that, most of the better looking models are in Hot Flirt. The Hot Flirts take up about 35% of the main page now. So it's difficult to not see them unless you close your eyes and switch to Girl category immediately as you get to the website.
For me personally, I would rather just use a different website where I can get the same quality of models without the lies and the greed. I don't want to know about which models I can't get nude unless I spend an insane amount of money. The website was not supposed to be like that. LJ was meant to be a porn cam site where most of the girls do nude shows without tips. If these girls don't want to get naked, they should be doing a different type of work. And studios shouldn't be trying to squeeze extra money out of customers to get a nude show.
If guys would stop paying for bullshit and tipping "non nude" models, things would go back to the way it used to be really fast. Every time you tip a "non nude" model to get naked, both the studio and the model wins with their strategy.
(2023-02-21 9:21)flirtmaster Wrote: There are different categories on lj and if we want to be 100% sure about nudity, then we have to go to the girls category, that's not complicated. I get bored to death with these girls, who take off their panties and fake the next orgasm every few minutes. I think it's okay some hotflirts decide, who they want to undress for and who not, since she doesn't necessarily want to end up on the CW and has a idea who she trusts. But everyone wants something different on these sites and there should be a certain selection for everyone.
(2023-02-21 9:21)flirtmaster Wrote: There are different categories on lj and if we want to be 100% sure about nudity, then we have to go to the girls category, that's not complicated. I get bored to death with these girls, who take off their panties and fake the next orgasm every few minutes. I think it's okay some hotflirts decide, who they want to undress for and who not, since she doesn't necessarily want to end up on the CW and has a idea who she trusts. But everyone wants something different on these sites and there should be a certain selection for everyone.
(2023-02-21 21:57)slashdotzero Wrote: I would rather just use a completely different website. Like I said before, most of the good looking girls on LJ are in Hot Flirt or Soulmate now. I'm very selective on cam sites and I'm not just looking for any model. I only go after certain types that I have a strong attraction to. On Streamate, Chaturbate, and Stripchat there are more independents and less russian studio "non nudes". There is less bullshit and I don't have to worry about what category I'm in. Also the credits are much cheaper on other sites, without having to do annoying hacks.
The Hot Flirts being non nude isn't even the main issue. It's the fact that they are not being honest. They are not actually non nude. They are willing to get naked, they just want extra for it. And the studio tells them to only do it for extra. So even if some models were okay to do it without tips to being with, the studios will put all this nonsense in their head and tell them they can only get naked for extra. Or make other stupid rules like topless only. Or if they can do full nude for extra, they cant spread their legs.
Also I don't agree with you that they should only do nude shows for certain people. This is business, not a dating site or a place to meet friends. The only time they should decline somebody is if they are being rude. If they want extra for it, I would prefer if they just made their private rate more expensive or tell me honestly how much they want for it.
(2023-02-21 22:27)flirtmaster Wrote:(2023-02-21 21:57)slashdotzero Wrote: I would rather just use a completely different website. Like I said before, most of the good looking girls on LJ are in Hot Flirt or Soulmate now. I'm very selective on cam sites and I'm not just looking for any model. I only go after certain types that I have a strong attraction to. On Streamate, Chaturbate, and Stripchat there are more independents and less russian studio "non nudes". There is less bullshit and I don't have to worry about what category I'm in. Also the credits are much cheaper on other sites, without having to do annoying hacks.
The Hot Flirts being non nude isn't even the main issue. It's the fact that they are not being honest. They are not actually non nude. They are willing to get naked, they just want extra for it. And the studio tells them to only do it for extra. So even if some models were okay to do it without tips to being with, the studios will put all this nonsense in their head and tell them they can only get naked for extra. Or make other stupid rules like topless only. Or if they can do full nude for extra, they cant spread their legs.
Also I don't agree with you that they should only do nude shows for certain people. This is business, not a dating site or a place to meet friends. The only time they should decline somebody is if they are being rude. If they want extra for it, I would prefer if they just made their private rate more expensive or tell me honestly how much they want for it.
Well, it's not quite a normal business like shopping and selling in the supermarket. Some girls may want to minimize the risk of being uploaded to one of the portals or at least want to be paid better for it. As I said, there are plenty of opportunities to see naked girls and spread legs on lj and other sites without extra tips, so the few hotflirts u talk about are clearly in the minority.
(2023-02-22 13:33)flirtmaster Wrote: I'm also dissatisfied with lj for many reasons, but the extra tips from hotflirts are not the decisive point, since I don't pay for them anyway. The bigger problem, in my opinion, are the girls who use the lush and are used to such high tips and don't want anything else anymore. I can only find very few girls that I enjoy on these sites now and have better ideas for spending money.
(2023-02-22 18:47)BeardyWeirdy Wrote:(2023-02-22 13:33)flirtmaster Wrote: I'm also dissatisfied with lj for many reasons, but the extra tips from hotflirts are not the decisive point, since I don't pay for them anyway. The bigger problem, in my opinion, are the girls who use the lush and are used to such high tips and don't want anything else anymore. I can only find very few girls that I enjoy on these sites now and have better ideas for spending money.
The lush is one of the main reasons LJ has gone downhill. Too many models think faking orgasms is enough.
(2023-02-22 22:33)ninersfan80 Wrote: The lush was definitely the death of LiveJasmin. Hasn't been the same since sadly
(2023-02-23 11:32)rambidenza Wrote: the lush is a name for an egg-like g-spot toy vibrator by 'lovense'. but it isn't the only device used as an interactive toy on lj. i believe the site introduced this feature in late 2021. generally 'nude' and 'hot flirt' models can use it during their live, vip or private shows. i assume many hotflirts would love using the interactive toy in place of tipping surprises on the site anyway. you cum 'em more, they earn more pleasure inside their body and more money.
(2023-02-10 11:08)Al Bundy Wrote: Streamate is just full of Latin- and South American bullshit.
And is much more expensive as other sites.
It was a good site till 2 years ago.
