Models leaving LJ

BeardyWeirdy · 2022-07-31 2:12

Recently I've received farewell notices from MimiWhite, EvieLane and JenyYoon. I know there is a turnover at cam sites but seeing three within two weeks stating they are leaving LJ makes me wonder if it is happening more than normal with LJ. Sure there are reasons for leaving LJ for customers but is it bad for models too?

Billyyy · 2022-07-31 3:10

(2022-07-31 2:12)BeardyWeirdy Wrote: Sure there are reasons for leaving LJ for customers but is it bad for models too?

You answered your own question. If it's bad for customers, it will be bad for models too. Law of supply and demand.

ZootWasThere · 2022-07-31 7:52

(2022-07-31 5:07)slashdotzero Wrote: It's either they don't like the studio rules or just don't feel comfortable doing the work any more. Some models only have short term contracts with studios and they don't start with the intention of doing it long term. Being a cam model isn't as easy as it looks. They have more of a reason to want to leave than the customers do.

Sure, earning twice the average salary in a single week is just another reason to leave isn't it ?

And being 20 years old, sitting 5 to 8 hours a day in front of a screen, such a hard and exhausting job !

And when 1 model leaves, 5 new join in. This is probably because they have more of a reason to leave.

Come on.

tomripley · 2022-07-31 10:26

(2022-07-31 7:52)ZootWasThere Wrote:
(2022-07-31 5:07)slashdotzero Wrote: It's either they don't like the studio rules or just don't feel comfortable doing the work any more. Some models only have short term contracts with studios and they don't start with the intention of doing it long term. Being a cam model isn't as easy as it looks. They have more of a reason to want to leave than the customers do.

Sure, earning twice the average salary in a single week is just another reason to leave isn't it ?

And being 20 years old, sitting 5 to 8 hours a day in front of a screen, such a hard and exhausting job !

And when 1 model leaves, 5 new join in. This is probably because they have more of a reason to leave.

Come on.

Do you really think, it is always a pleasure to deal a whole day with horny idiots who only want to see your pussy and get very rude, when you don't do what they like?

ohnoyetanotherusername · 2022-07-31 13:12

(2022-07-31 7:52)ZootWasThere Wrote:
(2022-07-31 5:07)slashdotzero Wrote: It's either they don't like the studio rules or just don't feel comfortable doing the work any more. Some models only have short term contracts with studios and they don't start with the intention of doing it long term. Being a cam model isn't as easy as it looks. They have more of a reason to want to leave than the customers do.

Sure, earning twice the average salary in a single week is just another reason to leave isn't it ?

And being 20 years old, sitting 5 to 8 hours a day in front of a screen, such a hard and exhausting job !

And when 1 model leaves, 5 new join in. This is probably because they have more of a reason to leave.

Come on.

Most girls are not so lucky to have a high tipping white knight or a whale tipper. I have the feeling that you refer to such girls but this is more likely 1 out of 1,000 girls that get so lucky.

ZootWasThere · 2022-07-31 13:30

(2022-07-31 10:26)tomripley Wrote: Do you really think, it is always a pleasure to deal a whole day with horny idiots who only want to see your pussy and get very rude, when you don't do what they like?

They are dealing with a screen and mostly translated text messages. No matter how sick and rude viewers can be, it basically remains under control of both broadcaster and website.

Using the term "pleasure" is abusive. Models are working, not necessarily enjoying what they are doing. Just like any other job.

You guys need to realize that this is just a volatile and profitable virtual activity performed by young people. They are not poor innocent kittens thrown in a lion pit.

ZootWasThere · (This post was last modified: 2022-07-31 13:53 by ZootWasThere.)

(2022-07-31 13:12)ohnoyetanotherusername Wrote: Most girls are not so lucky to have a high tipping white knight or a whale tipper. I have the feeling that you refer to such girls but this is more likely 1 out of 1,000 girls that get so lucky.

That's a good point you mention there. I specifically refer to average models earning between 500 and 1000 tokens per shift, working 5 days a week.

Of course, most models will tell you it's not enough and undervalue their actual earnings. They do it on purpose. I can tell you however that earning 5000 tokens in a single week is already very profitable for any [e.g. Russian] model.

mmodie · 2022-07-31 15:17

(2022-07-31 2:12)BeardyWeirdy Wrote: I know there is a turnover at cam sites but seeing three within two weeks stating they are leaving LJ makes me wonder if it is happening more than normal with LJ.

While simply seeing three models in the last two weeks leaving the site does not constitute some sort of mass exodus for LJ, and I wouldn't call it a "dead site" quite yet either (Flirt4Free gets to hang onto that title), LJ is certainly on the decline, and it's declining at the same if not faster rate than MFC. So, while some models may have their regulars from five years ago hanging around and tipping them, with less visitors, it's likely that the same trend will occur with models leaving site.

People going to LJ do not stay as long, they visit less pages (less models) and the bulk of their traffic is due to people accidentally entering their site and immediately leaving. "New" sites like StripChat are grabbing a hold of a lot of people's attention. Additionally, LiveJasmin has the strongest decline in true visitors over the past five years; worse than MFC: LiveJasmin (-28%), MyFreeCams (-26%), Flirt4Free (-13%) and Cams.com (-10%), while sites such as Chaturbate (60%), BongaCams (210%), Streamate (32%) and Cam4 (11%) have grown in viewership.

You can go to a site like SimilarWeb.com and look up site statistics to come to the same conclusion. Below is a summary of their public date from the end of the month of May 2022.

CamSite Statistics as of May 2022
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The way to read this data for LiveJasmin is:
"In the month of May 2022, LiveJasmin was ranked as the top 216 website (by SimilarWeb) in the world, and the top 18 in the adult website category. 216.6 million people visited the site in May, of which 72.54% of them immediately left upon entering the site, meaning only 59.5 million people visited and engaged with the site in the month of May. On average, visitors stayed for two minutes and 22 seconds, and they visited 2.08 pages."

LJ has one of the highest Bounce Rates (people exiting the site as soon as they enter, likely due to being force to the site via a pop-up ad), while also having one of the lowest number of pages visited and a low average duration per visit.

As a reference point and trend comparison, below is a summary of the same public data from May 2017 (five years ago).

CamSite Statistics as of May 2017
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ohnoyetanotherusername · 2022-07-31 16:00

I find it hard to believe that stripchat has more visitors than chaturbate.

ZootWasThere · (This post was last modified: 2022-07-31 16:17 by ZootWasThere.)

(2022-07-31 16:00)ohnoyetanotherusername Wrote: I find it hard to believe that stripchat has more visitors than chaturbate.

So do I. I assume these stats consider traffic originating from StripChat (organic) and white labels such as XHamsterLive. However note that the bounce rate is higher on SC than CB.

Starfox · 2022-07-31 16:22

LJ lives from Whale-tip Simps and White Knight-tip Simps

ZootWasThere · 2022-07-31 17:12

(2022-07-31 16:22)Starfox Wrote: LJ lives from Whale-tip Simps and White Knight-tip Simps

In the last 2 weeks, helenchristensen/betyhens (CB/SC) has been earning more than 20k tokens per broadcast by just teasing and acting like she was a 19yo.

The simp legion is definitely not on LJ these days...

mmodie · 2022-07-31 17:17

(2022-07-31 16:00)ohnoyetanotherusername Wrote: I find it hard to believe that stripchat has more visitors than chaturbate.

It does look off. I have seen blips in numbers from Similarweb before, but the times when this has occurred, it was isolated to a particular month. According to the site, StripChat had 717.3 million visitors in May 2022, 703.4 million in April and 635.9 million in March (CB was 424.6 million for May, 445.5 million for April, and 399.9 million for March). This does not appear to be a data collection error. When I have seen errors in their numbers, the %-delta between one month and the next is like a 1,000% to 10,000% increase/decrease for just one of the sites, and then the next month it returns to normal (I assume such errors are due to a data collection issue for that month). Here we're seeing ~10% growth for both sites.

Per their data collection methodology, I would guess they're getting their numbers either from Google analytics unless they have a partnership with the ISP, in which case, they would get them directly from the ISP.

Yes, I'm sure that the paid subscription traffic monitoring sites have more accurate data, but I'm not looking to pay for a subscription fee. Generally I use their data for comparisons (two sites at the same point in time, or one site across two points in time) to get a sense of relative trends, rather than focusing on one particular site at one particular time and examining the values. If there's a better, free traffic measuring site, let me know.

(2022-07-31 16:15)ZootWasThere Wrote: So do I. I assume these stats consider traffic originating from StripChat (organic) and white labels such as XHamsterLive. However note that the bounce rate is higher on SC than CB.

As I understand it, it does not include the white label sites. It is domain-specific. Traffic to XHamsterLive would be a different set of numbers not included in the StripChat numbers.

ohnoyetanotherusername · 2022-07-31 19:25

(2022-07-31 17:12)ZootWasThere Wrote:
(2022-07-31 16:22)Starfox Wrote: LJ lives from Whale-tip Simps and White Knight-tip Simps

In the last 2 weeks, helenchristensen/betyhens (CB/SC) has been earning more than 20k tokens per broadcast by just teasing and acting like she was a 19yo.

The simp legion is definitely not on LJ these days...

They're everywhere. In her defense, helenchristensen gets small money from many users, don't think she he has a single whale tipper.

ZootWasThere · (This post was last modified: 2022-07-31 20:25 by ZootWasThere.)

(2022-07-31 17:17)mmodie Wrote: Per their data collection methodology, I would guess they're getting their numbers either from Google analytics unless they have a partnership with the ISP, in which case, they would get them directly from the ISP.

They are not actually talking about a methodology there, they only state that they gather data from various (open) sources. Hard to get the big picture.

And you are right, it's domain-specific.

Surprising results, as well as unexpected visitors age distribution.

ZootWasThere · (This post was last modified: 2022-07-31 20:39 by ZootWasThere.)

(2022-07-31 19:25)ohnoyetanotherusername Wrote: They're everywhere. In her defense, helenchristensen gets small money from many users, don't think she he has a single whale tipper.

There were big whales "helping her" reaching goals in the first days, sometimes tipping thousands. They probably thought they were dealing with a new nn model, although she is a 2-years former MFC. In addition to goal tipping: fanclub, social media and opportunistic ticket shows. If you sum CB + SC, we are talking about thousands bucks per shift (even after a 50% studio cut) for just that single model. And she spends most of her time idle, making her "ducks" feeling guilty when they stop tipping...

mmodie · 2022-07-31 21:41

(2022-07-31 19:25)ohnoyetanotherusername Wrote: They're everywhere. In her defense, helenchristensen gets small money from many users, don't think she he has a single whale tipper.

She had some, but I think they died down after her first ticket show ... once people started to realize that they were tipping 5K in one shot for a handbra, only to be broke and not have 200 tokens for her full nude domi ticket show

(2022-07-31 20:22)ZootWasThere Wrote: They are not actually talking about a methodology there, they only state that they gather data from various (open) sources. Hard to get the big picture.

And you are right, it's domain-specific.

Surprising results, as well as unexpected visitors age distribution.

I think ohnoyetanotherusername is right, though, about the numbers being off. In some of the 7-day trial accounts on certain tracking sites, the total visitor count is significantly different (even though the bounce rate and other values are about the same). I suspect that Similarweb may not be tracking unqiue visitors, but I cannot be certain.

Regardless of how Similarweb is measuring "visitors", I do think it highlights the decline in visitors to LJ, leading to models leaving the site as well (assuming that the manner in which Similarweb measures "visitors" has remained consistent over the past five years).

(2022-07-31 20:38)ZootWasThere Wrote: They probably thought they were dealing with a new nn model, although she is a 2-years former MFC.

Do you recall her old MFC account name? I'll update my other thread

ohnoyetanotherusername · (This post was last modified: 2022-08-01 8:41 by ohnoyetanotherusername.)

(2022-07-31 20:38)ZootWasThere Wrote:
(2022-07-31 19:25)ohnoyetanotherusername Wrote: They're everywhere. In her defense, helenchristensen gets small money from many users, don't think she he has a single whale tipper.

There were big whales "helping her" reaching goals in the first days, sometimes tipping thousands. They probably thought they were dealing with a new nn model, although she is a 2-years former MFC. In addition to goal tipping: fanclub, social media and opportunistic ticket shows. If you sum CB + SC, we are talking about thousands bucks per shift (even after a 50% studio cut) for just that single model. And she spends most of her time idle, making her "ducks" feeling guilty when they stop tipping...

She is still absolutely NOT representative for the earnings of camgirls at all. Pick some random cb girls from page 10-20. That is how the reality for the big majority of girls.

It's like looking at the earnings of Taylor Swift and say musicians all get fucking rich easily, which is not correct.

svenni1975 · 2022-08-01 8:36

I think there is less money floating around on these sites, but more and more girls are trying their luck there. The whales and the sugardaddies usually have their steady girls, so it becomes more and more difficult for the majority of the girls and then they either quit or just do another job on the side

ZootWasThere · (This post was last modified: 2022-08-01 20:01 by ZootWasThere.)

I don't want to be rude to you, but you do not provide any fact or numbers here, just your own assumptions and interpretation.

(2022-08-01 16:34)slashdotzero Wrote: The job itself is not what is difficult. It's the stuff that comes with it that adds up and breaks you down over time:

Every job has adds up that can break you down over time, physically or mentally. Or both. This is not related to camming.

(2022-08-01 16:34)slashdotzero Wrote: 1. The risk of having your shows recorded and uploaded to the internet. Worrying about family, friends, future employers, future boyfriends finding out about it.

If you talk about a risk, you should talk about consequences too.

(2022-08-01 16:34)slashdotzero Wrote: 2. If you are not that popular / good looking, you will just be staring at a screen for hours waiting for someone to start a pvt show. That can really mess with a girl's confidence and she will start thinking she's ugly or not as pretty as other girls.

Exposing yourself to an any competitive environment leads to confidence issues. This is not related to camming.

(2022-08-01 16:34)slashdotzero Wrote: 3. Some studios have really bad rules. They may have to constantly lie to guys about things even though they don't want to. A male admin could be working in the room with them. Lack of privacy. etc.

Have you ever visited a studio, talked to an admin or owner ?

I mean, if an employee at your workplace keeps on telling to any customer that your business relies on bad rules, and that you are a perverted and evil manager sneaking up on her all day, does it make it true ?

(2022-08-01 16:34)slashdotzero Wrote: 4. The risk of being black mailed even after you quit.

Again, if you talk about a risk, talk about the consequences.

(2022-08-01 16:34)slashdotzero Wrote: 5. Rude guys that may humiliate you while you're naked or in awkward positions if they are not satisfied with the show.

Exposing yourself to an any audience leads to judgement. This is not related to camming.

(2022-08-01 16:34)slashdotzero Wrote: 6. The job itself is degrading. You are basically a virtual prostitute and guys use you as a sex toy while you stare a chatroom or multiple dicks on camera for hours. Some guys have very short pvts and leave without saying good bye. Some girls are okay with it, some are not.

What is degrading or not goes far beyond a personal opinion.

(2022-08-01 16:34)slashdotzero Wrote: Also, just the fact that they need to do this type of work at such a young age, shows that there is probably a lot of other stuff going in their life. I do know some models get depressed after a while if they feel this is what they will being doing for the rest of their life.

They don't actually need to do this type of work. They do it because it's so much more profitable than any other standard job.

(2022-08-01 16:34)slashdotzero Wrote: The job is basically a trap. It lures you in and you can make lots of money. But with no other skills or work experience its very difficult to leave even if you want to.

Having "no skills or work experience" between 18 and 23 years old doesn't mean anything. They are still young and able to adapt. Not to mention, most of these girls will marry and/or get pregnant around 25-30 years old. Their main activity will be to stay at home and take care of family and pets. No vocational training or higher education diploma required for this.

If you think you are living in an actual modern era which value women rights and independence over patriarchal and pseudo-beliefs tradition, then you should better wake up and take an honest look on it.

ZootWasThere · (This post was last modified: 2022-08-02 2:26 by ZootWasThere.)

(2022-08-01 23:47)slashdotzero Wrote: It seems like you are out of touch with reality and how society works

I will just answer that how your society works - should I say how your Western society works - shouldn't be considered as a general rule.

(2022-08-01 23:47)slashdotzero Wrote: They only do it because it's easy money that requires no skill or work

I am glad that you understood.

(2022-08-01 23:47)slashdotzero Wrote: Keep in mind that being physically attractive is way more important for women than it is for men.

Yes, as I previously stated, we are mainly living in patriarchal societies with artificial beliefs and tradition. As well as implicit inherited biological habits. Therefore, females need to be attractive to find the best males to reproduce and ensure natural selection process, clearing humanity from those who won't be able to survive a sunburn in a few years due to 4-years University degree women and submissive cunts currently governing you. Big Grin

(2022-08-01 23:47)slashdotzero Wrote: I know that some studios are like that. There are male admins sometimes in the same room with the model when she is getting naked. These guys basically work as assistants for models working on multiple cam sites at the same time. Some of these models sometimes even end up having sex with some of their admins for extra money. How I know this is not really relevant and a topic for another thread. Just know that it does happen in some studios.

Make it a thread, I look forward to it. Big Grin

(2022-08-01 23:47)slashdotzero Wrote: 4. What??? Maybe try to think hard about what consequences can happen if someone has naked videos and photos of you and knows people in your social circle. I don't think you are that stupid.

Sure I was trolling you since you are obviously too lazy to make a full objective statement without digressing in a confusing monologue.

(2022-08-01 23:47)slashdotzero Wrote: Sure, because the majority of society really has a lot of respect for sex workers. I'm sure all the parents of these cam models are really proud. All their family and friends see them as role models.

Will your family and friends deny you forever because of your browser history and addictive consumption of porn ?

(2022-08-01 23:47)slashdotzero Wrote: Without a 4 year University degree or some type of certification, a woman's job options are limited to retail, sex work, or maybe a receptionist job at best.

A society without humble receptionists, retail workers and waitresses would become a world of shit, especially for lazy people with 4-years University degree.

(2022-08-01 23:47)slashdotzero Wrote: You also act like ALL women are attractive enough to find a guy who would be willing to take care of them financially for life. And act like ALL men are simps that will just throw out their wallets to the first gold digger they meet.

You are now getting in touch with a reality where women can survive and find a man even if they have a dirty camming past, are ugly and without a 4-years University degree.

omfg.

ZootWasThere · (This post was last modified: 2022-08-02 3:41 by ZootWasThere.)

(2022-08-01 8:07)ohnoyetanotherusername Wrote: She is still absolutely NOT representative for the earnings of camgirls at all. Pick some random cb girls from page 10-20. That is how the reality for the big majority of girls.

It's like looking at the earnings of Taylor Swift and say musicians all get fucking rich easily, which is not correct.

Sorry I missed your answer. I totally agree with you, I did not mention her from model's perspective but from simp's perspective. She's rather an exception in terms of earnings.

For Eastern Europe models from age group 18-23, the norm is around 5 to 10 regular viewers per room (both on Chaturbate and Stripchat), with a minimal earning between 2500 and 5000 tokens per week (5 days) and per cam site.

As a side note, earning 5000 tokens per week allows a Russian model to earn more per month than a random Siberian 4-YEARS UNIVERSITY DEGREE school teacher.

ZootWasThere · (This post was last modified: 2022-08-02 7:16 by ZootWasThere.)

(2022-08-02 5:06)slashdotzero Wrote: It's not that easy for an ugly / fat woman to get into that type of relationship. They have to work just as hard as a man and sometimes have younger unemployed men living with them, not the other way around. lol.

I would rather say that it's even easier for ugly / fat women. They tend to have a very low self-esteem and easily offer themselves to any horny idiot crossing their way until they get pregnant "by accident". After that he can stay, he can leave or he can die but in any case, he will have to throw money for child maintenance, and for years. Not to mention, it will be even better for her in terms of revenue if the guy has a 4-years University fucking degree!

She won't even have to work. She will stay at home, taking care of kid, walking with the pug and sending nudes to some guys looking for a one-night stand with a "so lonely milf", until she receives her money at the end of every month. Including financial assistance given by the gov.

I know this is vicious but this the real, actual life of millions. Thanks to your Western society. And don't tell me that you don't know at least one poor guy stuck in this shitty situation. He should have just watched camgirls.

ZootWasThere · (This post was last modified: 2022-08-02 23:19 by ZootWasThere.)

(2022-08-02 22:32)slashdotzero Wrote: That's only if she gets pregnant. The guy should be smart enough to know to always use condoms if the woman he's with is not on the pill. Especially if he doesn't want a long term relationship. If he "accidentally" gets her pregnant. Then he deserves what he gets.

In a binary world, life is so much easier isn't ? Big Grin

(2022-08-02 22:32)slashdotzero Wrote: Also, if the man is unemployed, there is no way for the government to force child support.

In most Western countries when the father is missing, dead or actually unable to pay, gov will replace him by providing an additional financial assistance. For evil guys who have money but do not want to pay, it usually ends in court, and they can be jailed for this.

But in a binary world, everything is easier !

And based on your value judgement, camgirls should be SMART ENOUGH to know that they are dealing with perverts (and yes you are a pervert too, gentleman) and that their stream may be recorded, uploaded and shared online, no ? So no matter what happens after that, don't they deserve it ?

ZootWasThere · (This post was last modified: 2022-08-03 10:16 by ZootWasThere.)

(2022-08-03 6:30)slashdotzero Wrote: I don't know what you mean by "binary world being easier".

I just pointed out the fact that you talk a lot by "if, then, else". It tells a lot about your personality. You can't live in a world of maybes, a gray zone out of your control or understanding.

(2022-08-03 6:30)slashdotzero Wrote: If he "accidentally" gets her pregnant. Then he deserves what he gets.

Telling that somebody deserves something tells a lot about your ego. You think that you are better, smarter and stronger than anybody around you ?

So for the fun, I just challenged you by pointing out the fact that you are a pervert too. You can see this as a reverse psychology test. Or a XOR gate, probably more meaningful to you. I must admit that your denial reaction is absolutely priceless. You answered exactly as expected:

(2022-08-03 6:30)slashdotzero Wrote: I don't know what your definition of pervert is. Using a cam site / viewing naked women doesn't make a person a pervert in my definition. A pervert is just a man who takes it too far and is obsessed.

Inner dialogue: I don't know what or who you are talking about, what I do doesn't make me a pervert. I don't go "too far", I am not obsessed. I am not a pervert.

Yes you are. You are just like me and like all of us here. All sinners. Big Grin

It's not comfortable to face your dark side isn't it ? So you need to take distance and try to stay in control by playing the teacher again:

(2022-08-03 6:30)slashdotzero Wrote: You should be at least trying or want to build some kind of social life / sexual relationship with women in real life. Even seeing prostitutes would be okay because at least you are having real life interactions.

That was required to comfort yourself. Chill out. Wink

Demy2022 · 2022-08-03 19:46

(2022-07-31 20:38)ZootWasThere Wrote:
(2022-07-31 19:25)ohnoyetanotherusername Wrote: They're everywhere. In her defense, helenchristensen gets small money from many users, don't think she he has a single whale tipper.

There were big whales "helping her" reaching goals in the first days, sometimes tipping thousands. They probably thought they were dealing with a new nn model, although she is a 2-years former MFC. In addition to goal tipping: fanclub, social media and opportunistic ticket shows. If you sum CB + SC, we are talking about thousands bucks per shift (even after a 50% studio cut) for just that single model. And she spends most of her time idle, making her "ducks" feeling guilty when they stop tipping...

Hey, I am pretty sure i saw her for a longer time on MFC as well, but i cannot remind her Name on that platform.
Can you remember her and share the MFC Account Name of her?
Would be really nice.
Thank you

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